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 Post subject: Re: The future of 25-man
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:06 am  
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Eyegore wrote:
Who, at this point, is to say what character is a person's main?

Lets take Waal for instance. Why? Well because we are talking about him anyway, may as well just put a name to the vaguery.

Waal has tanked for a LONG time. Waal is also leading a raid. Waal has many tanks who want to come in and tank for his raid. (Waal, *very rarely* has a bunch of healers who want to come on his raid and was very kind to let me bring Eyegore). Now if you are a raid leader, and you have plenty of tanks, and you are looking to take a break from tanking 25-mans, why not let somebody else bring the tanking?

Waal may occasionally let a random "fuck off" through, but the guy is workin overtime trying to pull together a functional raid. When only 15 people show up, he finds the missing 10, somewhere. I don't know if he has an alternate universe in his pocket, but he finds not just warm bodies, but quality people.

Now, what if Waal is done playing Waal? This is purely hypothetical, I have no idea what Waals intentions are, but I'm guessing neither does anybody else. So, if Waal is retiring and Fengshui is the new main, or even if he's not sure what exactly he intends to do in WotLK... he's the raid leader. Why? Because nobody else is willing to do it. Does that give him some extra lee-way? In my book, yes. Even if it wasn't in my book, its his raid at that point and he can do whatever he damn well pleases, and I don't have to go if I don't like it.

All of this will be moot in 4-5 months when LK ships. We will all be leveling to 80, and I would predict that 25 man <IL> raids are likely to be done and gone. With the option to 10-man every raid zone, there's a very good chance the 25s would only start up again if it was somehow required to unlock/attune a 10-man.

So, my advice, smoke a doob, relax, prep for LK. If for you prepping for LK means forming some kind of raid and getting T5-T6 loot so you can skip the quest rewards until 75th, by all means do so. But if that's too much work and not enough fun, do what IS fun.




Just to add a little more....outside of PM......Waal prolly brought Feng out of necessity. We had our 3 top AOE DPSers drop. Last time I checked MH required AOE.


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 Post subject: Re: The future of 25-man
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:09 am  
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Trodar wrote:
I am not the first to "call people out"


Since I got called out, I should chime in.
What do we have for tanks:
Waal
Neelah
Teksett
Damu
Forge

Aoe Caster:
Malory – Retired
Jin – unpredictable schedule
Sleight –Retired
Dusts’ Caster-Locked out
Junchoon-family leave
which leave: Stercus,Kaleon,Blokz

We got plenty of tanks, but not enough aoe’er and since we’re in Hyjal, are we not live or die by the Aoe? Since Waal is a third tank, don’t you think its logical to replace him with Damu who can dps when Neelah MT the boss and bring in Fengshui to help with the aoe?

You’re right about Feng’s gears, but there are three types of players (Those that play above and beyond their gears, there are those that play to their gears lvl, and those that that play below their gears lvl). Well, I just let the number speaks for itself.

I will do what I can to keep the raid moving with the personnel I have. Not everyone can lead a successful raid like you did, I can only try. You are a better raid leader/organizer than I am and for that I bow to you.

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 Post subject: Re: The future of 25-man
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:46 pm  
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Stercus wrote:
Hey! Don't drag my sweaty ass into this! Quote me if you like but don't put words in my mouth (or intention in my words) Alts getting gear over mains, not Jack getting gear over Jill. Cummon now!


My alt's gear is much better than my main's. I am not ashamed to say it.

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